Huffers 11:15 Sun Jan 3
"conspiracy theorists"
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Those who believe the complete opposite to pretty much everything reported. Fucking idiots.
Guy in my office is wondering why the building in Dubai didn't collapse last week but the WTC did...George Bush apparently.
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Mr Polite
11:17 Sun Jan 3
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Why a building with a fire didn't collapse and one with a plane flown into it did?
Hahaha - some people are just cocks.
This will be my last post on this thread as it will surely be taken over by the Ozzie Prick
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terry-h
11:18 Sun Jan 3
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I didn't see planes hitting the building in Dubai.
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Huffers
11:18 Sun Jan 3
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Hi OM. Happy New Year.
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riosleftsock
12:03 Sun Jan 3
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Mr Polite 11:17 Sun Jan 3
Bit harsh on Fenton.
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Infidel
12:07 Sun Jan 3
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There is a fine line between scepticism and conspiracy theory.
Without scepticism Darwin would not have hit on the theory of evolution. The received wisdom for hundreds of years was that God had created the Earth, the stars and all of us. Nobody challenged that theory, ever. It was taken as a given. Darwin broke the myth of creationism just by doubting it.
Copernicus did the same - challenging the universally accepted view at the time that the Sun and the planets revolved around the Earth. His heliocentric model,putting the Sun at the centre and all the planets revolving around it, revolutionised science.
Scepticism is healthy and necessary for the advancement of knowledge,but crucially it has to be based on evidence- facts, not idle speculation fuelled by an over active imagination.
To take an obvious example there is not a single piece of evidence that the US government staged the Apollo XI moon landings. Nor is there a single piece of evidence that the 9/11 attacks were the work of US government agents.
In both cases there are very compelling reasons to believe that the events occurred as reported (not least of which is the vast number of people who would be required to execute the deception and who would have to be kept to a pledge of silence afterwards).
That doesn't mean that there will never be such a piece of counter evidence. It may be that tomorrow a NASA scientist who worked on the Apollo XI mission tells the world on his deathbed how it was faked. It's so unlikely as to be not worth considering but it's not wise to use the word 'impossible' too often.
Richard Dawkins is on record as saying that if anyone finds a fossil of a rabbit in the pre-Cambrian he will renounce everything he has ever said about evolution.
On another thread we had a long debate about climate change in which a debate about facts and analysis - healthy scepticism - was treated by a handful of people as if it were conspiracy theory as a way of trying to win the argument. That is idiotic and as great an attack on freedom of thought as burning books. Any robust scientific theory is open and receptive to scepticism. That's the test of its validity.
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Nurse Ratched
12:14 Sun Jan 3
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I think dinosaurs are a myth.
Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but come on people - it's so obviously a hoax. The things look like MONSTERS, FFS. You're making yourselves look silly.
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Darby_
12:48 Sun Jan 3
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When you think there's a worldwide conspiracy of greedy scientists, you're a conspiracy theorist. Sorry to break it to you, Infidel.
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gph
12:57 Sun Jan 3
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520 BC - Anaximander
The Greek philosopher, Anaximander of Miletus, wrote a text called "On Nature" in which he introduced an idea of evolution, stating that life started as slime in the oceans and eventually moved to drier places. He also brought up the idea that species evolved over time.
http://www.aboutdarwin.com/literature/Pre_Dar.html
Only slightly before Darwin, admittedly
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:00 Sun Jan 3
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Infidel 12:07 Sun Jan 3
'The received wisdom for hundreds of years was that God had created the Earth, the stars and all of us. Nobody challenged that theory, ever.'
So much for Alfred Russel Wallace...
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bruuuno
1:03 Sun Jan 3
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Interesting that gph. But I'm sure he wasn't the only one. Of all the billions of people around the world over the millennia a few are bound to have stumbled upon great discoverys but never recorded them. Maybe some by poor Bedouin beneath a starry sky, or two fat blokes in a pub.
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Mad Dog
1:03 Sun Jan 3
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Nurse. I really (REALLY) hope you're joking
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bruuuno
1:04 Sun Jan 3
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Nurse IS a dinosaur
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Nurse Ratched
1:06 Sun Jan 3
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Mad Dog.
You mean all those 'dinosaur' (Arf!) fossil evidence? Obvious student prank.
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Infidel
1:10 Sun Jan 3
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Surface
Your point would be valid if Wallace had predated Darwin but in fact they were contemporaries.
Darwin used some of Wallace's data in The Origin of Species. They corresponded regularly by letter. It's arguable that Wallace should have been jointly credited with Darwin for the theory of evolution but it doesn't change the fact that before Darwin it hadn't occurred to anyone to challenge creationism.
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Banjo
1:14 Sun Jan 3
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Infidel 12:07 Sun Jan 3
Good post mate.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:15 Sun Jan 3
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'Nobody challenged that theory. Ever.'
Except Alfred Russel Wallace, who not only challenged it, but published his findings while Darwin kept his stuck in a drawer for fear of ridicule.
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RH
1:17 Sun Jan 3
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Antly will be all over this soon
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Scraper
1:21 Sun Jan 3
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When u mention the plane, they say:
'WTC Tower 7 was not hit by a plane, but collapsed from fire alone.'
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the exile
1:34 Sun Jan 3
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Youtube is awash with videos about innumerable outlandish theories: not just the predictable ones like 9/11 and the moon landings, the illuminati and the new world order, alien takeovers, Planet X etc etc, but also some hilarious yet intriguing ones that you just couldn't make up, e.g. at the end of WWII the Nazis fled to Antarctica in flying saucers and still have a colony there under the ice, that we already have people on Mars, that the reason we haven't been back to the moon is that aliens warned us off. I generally see it as a fabulous source of entertainment, but I get angry about fuckwit scaremongers like Alex Jones who prey on the fears of all the other fuckwits who believe every word they say.
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